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Namaste, Father… [deeply moved]

Namaste to you [reflecting woman’s depth].

Thank you for calling me!

Thank you.

On the third day [of this Rishikesh open satsang season] something really dropped inside.

M-hm [motionless].

And it’s so clear. And just like you said, the storms came. Actually many storms came.

Mm.

And ah… There was a lot of pain, a lot of grief… that came with it…
[Mooji looks so seriously, so beautifully deeply into her eyes…]
Ahm… But then, it was seen

M.

… that… it’s just thoughts. And… so then… some of that started to subside. And then… ahm… a lot of bodily pain started to come. And ahm… making it really hard for me to sit in satsang… Yesterday… ah… it was so strong I felt like I had to leave… But then, it was realized that even this was the mind. And ahm… so I thought [finding it a little hard to control her voice] No, I’m not leaving… I’m staying!

Mm.

And ahm… shortly after, the pain started to subside. And I could see that the mind can do even this.

M-hm… [approvingly]

And… I ah… I don’t need to ask anything for myself, ’cause I feel that your grace is with me… But, ah… I just want to ask you for your grace for my husband. Because, ah… even though I know this is part of my thoughts, there’s something that my heart wants to ask. And… Just to help him… [clenching her fists in front of her chest]
He has a very strong mind, and [on the verge of tears]… he’s suffering a lot…
And, ahm… I just want to ask you for your grace, to… help him… to… just open his heart more…
That’s all.

[Mooji nods repeatedly, with deep, reverent compassion]
Reasonable…
request…
OK.

OK.
Thank you so much… I’m so grateful for…

Yes.

[whispering in Namaste] I’m so grateful to you…

Yes.

Thank you.

Ahm…
If someone has a stubborn mind… and ahm [looking very thoughtfully]… and is defending that… That is, if someone has a stubborn mind, set, and is defending that, at any cost… Ahm… Eh… [slightly, slowly nodding]
I’m not sure if I should interfere; with that; up to a point, no?

I understand.

Ahm… Even though the consequence of that, is that it brings a suffering. But if the force is so strong, then it means already, Grace is taking care of it, because it can only come so far, before a change has to… [calmly joyfully] happen there. And ah… If you’re not one who’s waiting to see what happens, but is living in your Truth, then…
Because sometimes, if you are involved in it…
Perhaps the stubbornness is connected with your relationship also.
You see?
So it’s good sometimes to cut free from that,
pay attention to your own sense of Presence…
That’s not easy, necessarily [smilingly]

M-hm…

… but if you understand what it means… Because sometimes in relationships, people are reacting to each other, in some kind of way, you know? Ah… And… it has been seen enough that that can happen, especially if you want the other person to change. And it can… just… be counterproductive in some way.
Of course you may want it in your heart, and you may feel, Woah, they could really benefit from being in satsang… But ahm… to what extent? You see?
You…
There’s a saying,
“You must become the change you wish to see in the world.”
That you must become that change that you want to see happen in the world.
And then by example, and not by too much encouragement; because you can over-encourage, and put people off; “Woah! Give me a break! Back off!” and so on.
And… but… Live your Truth!

Yes!

And even if it means
stepping away for a while, whatever…
Try and live your Truth…

Yes…

… more than to try and change someone.
Even with the best of intentions,
and even with the best of feeling
that they would benefit from it…
We are free to be free,
and we are free to be bound.
So sometimes it can…
I say: Always I will wish you well.
Always I’ll wish the best for you.
In accordance with the will of Supreme.
Like that.

I… ahm…

Yes.

I actually have seen that… ahm… this relationship has really pushed me deeper, and deeper, and deeper in satsang. And I’m so grateful…

Yes.

I just feel this compassion in my heart, because I don’t wanna see him suffer…

Yes…

So…

Yes… Yes…

[Both go into Namaste]

OK?

Thank you…
I love you…

Love you too.

Thank you.

Mooji (minutes 40-47) transcribed by Leon Hieros

with deep, reverent compassion

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